My New Old Parlor
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- Myrtle
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My New Old Parlor
I was given this old parlor a while back that someone had taken apart to fix and gave up on it.
All birch, 24" scale, 13 1/4" lower bout, no bindings or rosette. Your basic low-end late 30's guitar. I decided the top wasn't worth saving so it's got a new lutz top with bridged ladders over tone-bar bracing. And I'd been wanting to try flying buttresses so I gave that a shot also.
So here is what's under the hood.
Fabricated a tailpiece out of sheet brass because I needed it a little shorter than what I had so it wouldn't crowd the bridge. And had my first try at spraying nitro for a finish. Which was quite a learning experience, once I managed to get some retarder to prevent the blushing here in Oklahoma's hot humid summer, it went pretty well.
And here she is---
Just strung up this evening, but sounding good.
Joe
All birch, 24" scale, 13 1/4" lower bout, no bindings or rosette. Your basic low-end late 30's guitar. I decided the top wasn't worth saving so it's got a new lutz top with bridged ladders over tone-bar bracing. And I'd been wanting to try flying buttresses so I gave that a shot also.
So here is what's under the hood.
Fabricated a tailpiece out of sheet brass because I needed it a little shorter than what I had so it wouldn't crowd the bridge. And had my first try at spraying nitro for a finish. Which was quite a learning experience, once I managed to get some retarder to prevent the blushing here in Oklahoma's hot humid summer, it went pretty well.
And here she is---
Just strung up this evening, but sounding good.
Joe
The only safe thing to do, is to take a chance! Mike Nichols
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Good save there Joe! Like Lillian, I think how you've got the colouring is excellent. With a tailpiece does that mean the bridge is a floater or is it glued? I imagine the original person that gave it to you would be feeling rather sick about now seeing what a little gem you've turned it into.
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- Myrtle
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Thanks Lilian, the staining really helps to bring out the silking in the top.
And John, yeah the top obviously had a pin bridge but there were also screw holes in the end where it had had a tailpiece at one time. So, I just wanted to further my exploration of tailpiece guitars.
Liam, I used trans tint dyes diluted with water to rub in the burst. Honey amber, golden brown, and reddish brown. It's a pretty forgiving process, as you can blend and scrub out the color with a wet rag and just play with it till it suits you.
Allen, I spent a lot of time studying your tutes on spraying nitro. Your tutes and Arnt's postings about nitro let me know I could do it without explosion proof fans and sophisticated spray booths, thanks!!!
Thanks Nick, the bridge is a floater. I like the flexibility that gives to shift it around and get the intonation right where you want it.
Thanks all,
Joe
And John, yeah the top obviously had a pin bridge but there were also screw holes in the end where it had had a tailpiece at one time. So, I just wanted to further my exploration of tailpiece guitars.
Liam, I used trans tint dyes diluted with water to rub in the burst. Honey amber, golden brown, and reddish brown. It's a pretty forgiving process, as you can blend and scrub out the color with a wet rag and just play with it till it suits you.
Allen, I spent a lot of time studying your tutes on spraying nitro. Your tutes and Arnt's postings about nitro let me know I could do it without explosion proof fans and sophisticated spray booths, thanks!!!
Thanks Nick, the bridge is a floater. I like the flexibility that gives to shift it around and get the intonation right where you want it.
Thanks all,
Joe
The only safe thing to do, is to take a chance! Mike Nichols
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- Myrtle
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Just wanted to update this re-build in case anyone is foolish enough to follow any of my building schemes.
I've had to change this to a pinned bridge. The light bracing turned out to not be strong enough to counter the downward push of the strings on the floating bridge. The top was slowly sinking and the sound started getting muddier and muddier.
So I added a rosewood bridgplate over the existing spruce one and glued on a pinned bridge I made from poisonwood. And here is how she looks now.
So with the added bracing of a glued on bridge and the string tension pulling on the top instead of just pushing down, she's sounding good. That seems to have tightened up the top and restored the clarity, but still responds very nicely to bare fingers and pick.
So remember, if you're going to follow along after any of my ideas, just don't follow too closely! Give me time to fix or at least point out those ideas that don't quite work as planned.
Joe
I've had to change this to a pinned bridge. The light bracing turned out to not be strong enough to counter the downward push of the strings on the floating bridge. The top was slowly sinking and the sound started getting muddier and muddier.
So I added a rosewood bridgplate over the existing spruce one and glued on a pinned bridge I made from poisonwood. And here is how she looks now.
So with the added bracing of a glued on bridge and the string tension pulling on the top instead of just pushing down, she's sounding good. That seems to have tightened up the top and restored the clarity, but still responds very nicely to bare fingers and pick.
So remember, if you're going to follow along after any of my ideas, just don't follow too closely! Give me time to fix or at least point out those ideas that don't quite work as planned.
Joe
The only safe thing to do, is to take a chance! Mike Nichols
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Nice one Joe. Just goes to show if you think about a problem long enough, the solution is not far away. Seems like all of my builds so far there has been an issue of some sort arise and have to be taken care of. The new bridge looks great. Good on yah!
Cheers
Alan
Cheers
Alan
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- Myrtle
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Thanks everyone!
It's still sounding great, can't believe what a big sound it has, and it sure is nice not being distracted by a sagging top.
Gaby there were no markings on this one whatever, but it looks much older inside than the 60's to me. More like early 40's to my eye, but who knows.
Joe
It's still sounding great, can't believe what a big sound it has, and it sure is nice not being distracted by a sagging top.
Gaby there were no markings on this one whatever, but it looks much older inside than the 60's to me. More like early 40's to my eye, but who knows.
Joe
The only safe thing to do, is to take a chance! Mike Nichols
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