Australian weed woods
Australian weed woods
Hi All… The local council here is pushing urban infill (selling off local parks and green space for units), which is leading to many old trees being removed. I watched a huge old mango tree with a trunk diameter over 100cm and a Rain tree with a trunk of about 80cm being removed from a site near my flat last week (they were chipped on site for use as mulch). This has me wondering about some of the local exotic timbers (weeds) and how they would rate as guitar timbers. The most abundant large feral trees in Australia that is actively being cleared as a weed is camphor laurel. The timber is often beautiful, it steam bends ok and is easy to work with, but it does have a smell that could be an issue. However apart from the odour I can’t think of any reason it wouldn’t be suitable. I did a google search to see if anyone has tried camphor laurel as a tonewood but didn’t find anything useful.
So, has anyone experimented with camphor laurel? Also, I’ve seen both mango and rain tree guitar sets for sale in the US and was wondering if anyone has used them and what they thought?
Below is some info from the database about some of the readily available weed timbers we have in Australia
Camphor laurel (Cinnamomum camphora)
Janka Hardness (kN) 3.3 Density kg/m3 452
The sapwood is whitish or brownish, and the heartwood brownish-yellow with a green cast, or olive to light olive-brown to blackish-brown, with a medium to coarse texture, satiny or silky lustre, straight and often rosy grain, spicy odour, and excellent working qualities
Mango (Mangifera indica)
Timber: Heartwood is pale yellowish-brown to reddish-brown, darkening on exposure, not clearly demarcated from the pale yellowish-brown sapwood. Grain somewhat wavy, texture moderately coarse; freshly cut wood is scentless. The wood is used for many purposes, including indoor construction, meat-chopping blocks, furniture, carpentry, flooring, boxes, crates and boat building (canoes and dugouts).
Rain Tree or Monkey Pod (Samanea Saman)
Timber: The sapwood is a cream colour and the heartwood is dark brown, taking a high polish. With its rich dark-and-light pattern, the wood is highly prized for carvings, furniture and panelling. The wood shrinks so little that products may be carved out of green wood without fear of splitting or warping as the wood dries. In Hawaii, bowls and other craft products made from the wood are in such high demand that the local wood supply is supplemented by imports from Indonesia and the Philippines. A moderately durable wood, it is also used in boat building. The beautiful, high-quality wood is used for interior trim, crafts, boxes, veneer, plywood and general construction.
Athel pine (Tamarix aphylla)
Wood, close-grained, light-coloured, fibrous, fairly hard, heavy (specific gravity 0.6-0.7.5) strong, density of about 700 kg/m³, high shock resistance, splits readily when first cut and polishes well. Useful for making ploughs, wheels, carts, construction, tool handles, brush-backs, ornaments, carpentry, furniture, turnery and fruit boxes.
Prickly Acacia (Acacia nilotica)
Sapwood is yellowish-white and heartwood reddish-brown, hard, heavy, durable, difficult to work, although it takes a high polish. Because of its resins, it resists insects and water, and it is harvested for boat making, posts, buildings, water pipes, well planking, ploughs, cabinet work, wheels, tool handles, carts, mallets and other implements. It is an attractive wood, good for carving and turnery (I have a beautiful flute I picked up in Africa made from this… rings like a bell when you give it a tap). Fret boards?
So, has anyone experimented with camphor laurel? Also, I’ve seen both mango and rain tree guitar sets for sale in the US and was wondering if anyone has used them and what they thought?
Below is some info from the database about some of the readily available weed timbers we have in Australia
Camphor laurel (Cinnamomum camphora)
Janka Hardness (kN) 3.3 Density kg/m3 452
The sapwood is whitish or brownish, and the heartwood brownish-yellow with a green cast, or olive to light olive-brown to blackish-brown, with a medium to coarse texture, satiny or silky lustre, straight and often rosy grain, spicy odour, and excellent working qualities
Mango (Mangifera indica)
Timber: Heartwood is pale yellowish-brown to reddish-brown, darkening on exposure, not clearly demarcated from the pale yellowish-brown sapwood. Grain somewhat wavy, texture moderately coarse; freshly cut wood is scentless. The wood is used for many purposes, including indoor construction, meat-chopping blocks, furniture, carpentry, flooring, boxes, crates and boat building (canoes and dugouts).
Rain Tree or Monkey Pod (Samanea Saman)
Timber: The sapwood is a cream colour and the heartwood is dark brown, taking a high polish. With its rich dark-and-light pattern, the wood is highly prized for carvings, furniture and panelling. The wood shrinks so little that products may be carved out of green wood without fear of splitting or warping as the wood dries. In Hawaii, bowls and other craft products made from the wood are in such high demand that the local wood supply is supplemented by imports from Indonesia and the Philippines. A moderately durable wood, it is also used in boat building. The beautiful, high-quality wood is used for interior trim, crafts, boxes, veneer, plywood and general construction.
Athel pine (Tamarix aphylla)
Wood, close-grained, light-coloured, fibrous, fairly hard, heavy (specific gravity 0.6-0.7.5) strong, density of about 700 kg/m³, high shock resistance, splits readily when first cut and polishes well. Useful for making ploughs, wheels, carts, construction, tool handles, brush-backs, ornaments, carpentry, furniture, turnery and fruit boxes.
Prickly Acacia (Acacia nilotica)
Sapwood is yellowish-white and heartwood reddish-brown, hard, heavy, durable, difficult to work, although it takes a high polish. Because of its resins, it resists insects and water, and it is harvested for boat making, posts, buildings, water pipes, well planking, ploughs, cabinet work, wheels, tool handles, carts, mallets and other implements. It is an attractive wood, good for carving and turnery (I have a beautiful flute I picked up in Africa made from this… rings like a bell when you give it a tap). Fret boards?
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Hi James,
The little bits of Camphor I have tapped have been rather dead so Im not sure of it for tonewood. That said my sample size was rather limited. Camphor can be stunning to look at with fabulous contrasting curly grain and chatoyance, it turns beatifully, particularly for a highly figured timber. I thought headstock veneer, pegs or other cosmetic areas. But if you can find a bit that rings, then why not. Ive seen lapsteels made of Camphor but not much else. I quite like the smell, particularly on the lathe but it does fade in time. At least the bugs dont eat it
As for the other timbers, I really dont know.
Sebastiaan
The little bits of Camphor I have tapped have been rather dead so Im not sure of it for tonewood. That said my sample size was rather limited. Camphor can be stunning to look at with fabulous contrasting curly grain and chatoyance, it turns beatifully, particularly for a highly figured timber. I thought headstock veneer, pegs or other cosmetic areas. But if you can find a bit that rings, then why not. Ive seen lapsteels made of Camphor but not much else. I quite like the smell, particularly on the lathe but it does fade in time. At least the bugs dont eat it
As for the other timbers, I really dont know.
Sebastiaan
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Jeffrey Yong, a fine Malaysian guitar builder, uses Monkey Pod a lot.
In fact one of His Monkey Pod guitars was adjudged the finest sounding instrument at GAL conference a couple of years ago - and, from memory, it had a Monkey Pod top!!!
His website is here
http://www.jeffyongguitars.com/luthier.htm
Bob
In fact one of His Monkey Pod guitars was adjudged the finest sounding instrument at GAL conference a couple of years ago - and, from memory, it had a Monkey Pod top!!!
His website is here
http://www.jeffyongguitars.com/luthier.htm
Bob
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I'd be resawing it either to 2inch boards or down to 6mm and stickering it
straight away.
I don't know how Monkey Pod seasons (ie whether it is susceptible to warping or twisting) but if it will cut down to 6mm and remain straight it'll be ready to use in a couple of months.
General rule of thumb is 1" per year to dry down to 6-8% MC.
If left in large lumps it may have a tendency to split.
I'd be getting in touch with Jeffrey and getting some information on the wood. He is a very helpful and personable bloke.
Bob
straight away.
I don't know how Monkey Pod seasons (ie whether it is susceptible to warping or twisting) but if it will cut down to 6mm and remain straight it'll be ready to use in a couple of months.
General rule of thumb is 1" per year to dry down to 6-8% MC.
If left in large lumps it may have a tendency to split.
I'd be getting in touch with Jeffrey and getting some information on the wood. He is a very helpful and personable bloke.
Bob
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Jeff Yong is my buddy and if you guys would like him to stop by I will invite him over?
Yep his Monkey Pod guitar, which I played BTW at HGF, won the blind listening test at GAL and it won against the biggest names in the business.
I didn't build with MP yet but I have two sets and want to build with it. Uncle Bob the Zootman at RC tonewoods sells it.
BTW Jeff's guitar that won GAL is topped in MP too, that is why I bought two sets.
Yep his Monkey Pod guitar, which I played BTW at HGF, won the blind listening test at GAL and it won against the biggest names in the business.
I didn't build with MP yet but I have two sets and want to build with it. Uncle Bob the Zootman at RC tonewoods sells it.
BTW Jeff's guitar that won GAL is topped in MP too, that is why I bought two sets.
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Well, monkeypod , rain tree , samanea saman or the local nickname ' pukul lima' ie ' 5'oclock '. Most of the local ( village people ) doesn't know anything about botanical name so they observed the characteristic of the tree. when its about evening or 5'oclock the leaves closed up like its going to sleep so thats where the name derived or when its going to rain, the leaves closes up too to let the rain water runs off. its a big tree so if water will be retain the whole tree will be uprooted.
Now about the wood, its very porous and it bend really well.
If cut to a thin slice ( green )it'll warp so it have to be dried and stack immediately. I used a microwave oven to dry it.
Tone wise...well it surprises everybody at the GAL blind test listening seesion. Richard Glick did a recording of one of my MP guitar.
http://www.fineguitarconsultants.com/inv.htm
I hope this helps. I'll be glad to help if you have any enquiries.
Jeff
I'm here! Hesh wrote to me just now and I have registered myself immediately. Thanks Hesh!
Happy New Year to all!
Well, monkeypod , rain tree , samanea saman or the local nickname ' pukul lima' ie ' 5'oclock '. Most of the local ( village people ) doesn't know anything about botanical name so they observed the characteristic of the tree. when its about evening or 5'oclock the leaves closed up like its going to sleep so thats where the name derived or when its going to rain, the leaves closes up too to let the rain water runs off. its a big tree so if water will be retain the whole tree will be uprooted.
Now about the wood, its very porous and it bend really well.
If cut to a thin slice ( green )it'll warp so it have to be dried and stack immediately. I used a microwave oven to dry it.
Tone wise...well it surprises everybody at the GAL blind test listening seesion. Richard Glick did a recording of one of my MP guitar.
http://www.fineguitarconsultants.com/inv.htm
I hope this helps. I'll be glad to help if you have any enquiries.
Jeff
Hi Jeff and welcome,
We are honoured to have you join us at the ANZLF.
Thanks for the information about Monkey Pod, it is interesting how the tree has adapted to the rain fall by closing it's leaves in the afternoon, fascinating. I think I have seen the guitar you mentioned had won the blind test displayed on Allied web site, it is just stunning and the fact that it also sounds so wonderful is clear proof of the very high level of skills you bring to this craft.
Please feel free to jump in and comment when ever you can, most of us have much to learn and would realy value your input emencely
Cheers
Kim
We are honoured to have you join us at the ANZLF.
Thanks for the information about Monkey Pod, it is interesting how the tree has adapted to the rain fall by closing it's leaves in the afternoon, fascinating. I think I have seen the guitar you mentioned had won the blind test displayed on Allied web site, it is just stunning and the fact that it also sounds so wonderful is clear proof of the very high level of skills you bring to this craft.
Please feel free to jump in and comment when ever you can, most of us have much to learn and would realy value your input emencely
Cheers
Kim
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Thanks James, I know what you mean but it should be selamat 'datang' not 'dating'.
Wow, you guys are so much fun!
I'm building a new monkeypod JJ with my new bevels and sound pot, will post it up later when its finished. Another monkeypod harpguitar is on the way for Canadian Guitarist Don Alder. He played one of my MP HG last Dec at the festival and he was really trilled with the sound of it.
Thanks again and God Bless,
Jeff
btw, can someone please show me how to post a picture?
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Wow, you guys are so much fun!
I'm building a new monkeypod JJ with my new bevels and sound pot, will post it up later when its finished. Another monkeypod harpguitar is on the way for Canadian Guitarist Don Alder. He played one of my MP HG last Dec at the festival and he was really trilled with the sound of it.
Thanks again and God Bless,
Jeff
btw, can someone please show me how to post a picture?
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