Classical Build (s) - Hopefully falcate!

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Classical Build (s) - Hopefully falcate!

Post by seeaxe » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:11 pm

Hi All, long time not post much.

I stopped building mainly because I started having proper classical guitar lessons and wanted something decent to play on. Having built it focus went on playing instead of building. I have no regrets about that, it has been a huge success as far as I am concerned and I am playing stuff I never dreamed I would be able to play.

Fast forward to a few years ago and my tutor got himself a new (luthier built) guitar. He has had some problems with it and for some time I was thinking "I could do better than that". When he had his most recent problems beginning of the year, I volunteered to build him one. Its going to be a gift so this is not a commercial enterprise nevertheless I do want to do something a bit special. He has often admired my current classical (lutz/blackwood, 2011) so the aim is to be at least as good as or better than that. I have some wood sitting in the shed that will otherwise possibly get binned if I don't get round to using it so the idea was to use that. When I asked him what he wanted he picked rosewood b and s, which is a shame cos I didn't have any! I've now solved that problem.

Next problem was a bit of loss of confidence....Its a long time since I've done any serious luthering and there were a few times I was just staring the bench and procrastinating. So I decided I would build myself another classical as well, so if I was going to stuff something up then it would hopefully be on my one and not his.... I am going to try a few new techniques - Trevor mentioned that a classical neck doesn't actually need the spanish heel if its connected his way. I agree and am going to look at something long those lines, not traditional but simple to execute and fit. More about this as I go along, because as usual I haven't sorted out the details yet. There's a fine balance between working through everything on paper and paralysis by analysis. I felt I had to actually get going.

Its going to be a slow process so don't be holding any breaths but I don't see many build threads on here these days so thought you might enjoy the entertainment. Feel free to chip in with any comments, I've got a pretty thick skin.

Anyhoo, I'm into it now, there's a pile of wood shavings on the floor and fretboards are mostly done. Necks are scarfed and glued and I'm starting to think about the bridge. Hence my post in buy sell exchange - the CF decisions start here!!
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Re: Classical Build (s) - Hopefully falcate!

Post by ozziebluesman » Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:11 pm

Hi Richard,

I'm looking forward to the build. I am also building a few classical guitars at once seen that I have never built one before. The first one has a bolt on neck the same method as I have built all my steel strings. It is at closed box and I am very pleased with the guitar so far. The bracing is standard classical what ever that is and my plan is a little smaller at a 7/8 th size guitar. The other two have spanish heel necks one will be braced the similar to the Jeff Elliot Gal #52 SE114 plan and the other is going to be a radial style top bracing same body size. I intend to do one active back but not sure which one and two are a 635 mm short scale the other a 650 mm scale.

Looking forward to seeing your build progresses.

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Re: Classical Build (s) - Hopefully falcate!

Post by lamanoditrento » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:29 am

Nice. Looking forward to the thread
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Post by seeaxe » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:49 pm

Let the engiluthierneering commence!!
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Re: Classical Build (s) - Hopefully falcate!

Post by seeaxe » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:59 pm

Its easy to get distracted though...found a nice old Yamaha (1983) on trademe and I couldnt resist it. It cleaned up nicely. There's a fair bit of wear on the frets but they're ok. This might replace the one I keep at my guitar teacher's place.
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Post by seeaxe » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:38 pm

Dble post...
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Re: Classical Build (s) - Hopefully falcate!

Post by seeaxe » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:03 pm

I spent today finishing my "control" bridge, an unreinforced classical bridge at the Gore Gilet dimensions using Tas Blackwood, to see if I could get close to the target weight. This turned out OK.
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I was going to make up a sanding jig like the luthiers friend ones but realised I could use my compound drill vice to do the same thing, only better.
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I also used this to get the string holes as accurate as I could. By using the graduations on the handle, I could move the bridge exactly 11.6mm on a perfect line. Worked well.

Apologies for the wonky photos, Ill work out how to fix that one day.
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Re: Classical Build (s) - Hopefully falcate!

Post by seeaxe » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:57 pm

Some progress tonight after all.

Shot of the fret boards on their respective neck blanks.
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Plies for the bridge blanks. I thought this was going to be a mission but was not hard. On the Rosewood one the fine ply is under 2mm so I won't have to worry about that bridge being too thick
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I cut the CF tape to size and set up a clamping board so I can keep everything together. Glue up will have to wait until the weekend
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Re: Classical Build (s) - Hopefully falcate!

Post by colburge » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:15 pm

Looking really good, they are going to be great.

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Re: Classical Build (s) - Hopefully falcate!

Post by seeaxe » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:29 pm

Bridge blanks glued and cured overnight. Cleaned up nicely though I suspect my planes will need a tickle up after cutting the epoxy and fibre.
That should have been enough clamping pressure!!
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Greaseproof paper worked well, that just peeled off.
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Rosewood blank
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Blackwood blank
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Re: Classical Build (s) - Hopefully falcate!

Post by seeaxe » Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:04 pm

Started making my first rosette....
I learned a few things. One of which is I need to put more holes in the nylon form to push out the finished product. :cry: :cry: Another is that those small hand sized Veritas block planes are are incredibly good value for money. That thing is amazing.
I did not learn that bought rosettes are actually fairly cheap if you make any consideration of time involved, because I already knew that. I just wanted to have a go.
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After planing, far from perfect.
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Bugger, but all is not lost. We can rebuild it.
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Re: Classical Build (s) - Hopefully falcate!

Post by seeaxe » Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:14 pm

Next the more intricate inner ring. This is as far as I have got. this has taken me around 4 evenings and one solid day. Lots of hand work with the little plane but ultimately very satisfying, when it goes right. and there's an element of fun in doing something you have never attempted before. Just happy I don't have to make a living doing this!!
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Re: Classical Build (s) - Hopefully falcate!

Post by lamanoditrento » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:55 am

Well done on attempting the rosette. It is on my list to attempt
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Re: Classical Build (s) - Hopefully falcate!

Post by kiwigeo » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:00 am

Nice work Richard and thanks for posting progress pics of this build.
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