Proposed repairs - Martin J18

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Savvas
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Proposed repairs - Martin J18

Post by Savvas » Tue Mar 19, 2024 11:41 am

Hi Folks,
Many years ago I purchased a Martin J18 'jumbo' guitar. I think it was very early internet days (for me anyway). There's a long back-story to my post which I won't go into, but the guitar was a major disappointment & ended up sitting in it's case, unplayed for years. When it arrived it had a serious case of bellying behind the bridge (even with light gauge strings), sinkage in front & it also needed a neck reset. I checked inside the guitar at the time with a mirror & it appeared that someone had taken a pocket knife to the main X-braces & carved a substantial amount of wood away - the scalloping on the main X-braces looked much deeper & longer than it should be, they were flat in profile rather than 'peaked' or rounded, & the upper surfaces - on the bass-side X-brace anyway - were quite rough (see pictures)! The tone bar scalloping also looked longer & deeper that examples I've seen previously.

Aside from the bellying & sinkage, I don't believe the brace modifications (if indeed that's what's occurred) have improved the sound at all. The trebles are more or less intact although less 'sparkly' than I'd expect (I'm comparing with D18s & similar instruments I've owned). However the mids & bass notes are excessively boomy & ill-defined - nothing like the controlled, fundamental sounds a good mahogany/spruce Martin should provide.

My son has expressed interest in the guitar so I'd like to get it - acoustically at least - into something resembling its original state. My plan is to take the neck off (with an eventual neck reset in mind) & then remove the back binding (tortoise celluloid) & back & replace the X-braces, with either minimally scalloped new braces or even just tapered or 'plain' bracing like my old Guild. Maybe the tone bars as well! I still have a stash of quarter-sawn bracing spruce I bought from Lamberti's many years ago that I can use. I probably won't get far with tap-tuning etc, but at least I'd know that the bracing wood is as old as the top!

I'll have to give all of this a lot more thought, but my intended outcome would be long-term structural integrity as much as much improved acoustic qualities. I'm not interested in resale value so 'originality' is not an issue for me, particularly as the guitar already appears so compromised! And I'd very much like to give its rebuild a go. I've built a few dulcimers & rebuilt a couple of banjos & dobros in the past so I have a vague notion of the challenges involved, but I'm quite motivated to get the guitar to a state in which I'd be happy to hand it on to my son.

I'm interested to know what people think of the state of the bracing in the pictures I've posted - modified or not? On a jumbo guitar, I would have expected to see much more substantial bracing that emphasised the mids & trebles & perhaps limited the bass a bit more - that is, much milder scalloping & taller & more substantial shapes. And is this an impossible enterprise for a more-or-less first-time major steel-string repair? I'd mention that I can't afford the thousand-plus dollars or so that a good luthier would probably charge me to remedy the situation. I reckon that with patience & care I could do a decent job. Should I attempt the rescue?

thanks, Sam.
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Mark McLean
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Re: Proposed repairs - Martin J18

Post by Mark McLean » Sat Mar 23, 2024 2:26 pm

Hi Sam, and welcome to ANZLF.
An old Martin is always worth fixing up. How old is this one (you can look up the serial number at the Martin website for a year of manufacture). Let’s workshop this a bit!
Those braces certainly look like they have been submitted to some DIY “improvements”, and you might be right that this resulted in structural weakening of the soundboard and allowed the distortion of the top. It would be worthwhile to check for other causes also. Loose braces are common and can cause the same effects. Tap all over the top to see if there are any areas with very different resonance, or any tell-tale rattles, and also poke along the joints of all the braces to the soundboard with a feeler gauge or other type of thin metal probe. Check out the bridge plate also.
Can you show us some pictures of the belly and cave-in of the top?
How bad is the neck angle (straight edge test against the bridge) and how bad the action when it was strung up?
Is the bridge lifting at all? If it is dry and dusty also consider rehumidifying it and reassessing the geometry before committing to major surgery.

Check all of this before you pull the back off. Doing the job that you describe is certainly possible, but is a big undertaking. It would be a shame to remove the back and then discover that the main problem is some loose braces that could have been fixed through the sound hole.

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