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12 fret BRW small body

Post by Trevor Gore » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:12 pm

Some guitars are really hard photograph; like this one. The BRW turned out so dark it is almost black, so my feeble attempts to photograph it don't really do it justice. It's one of those guitars that you feel you should be pulling on the white gloves before you touch it. It started out with the prospective customer calling me to say he had some wood and could I make him a guitar. It was a tough negotiation! It's BRW back, sides, fretboard, bridge, bridgeplate, and rosette trim. The top is Lutz. The body shape is one that I use for both SS and CL, perhaps more often seen as my neo-classical. It's about 00 sized. It's got a magnetic arm rest and is fitted with K&Ks. The rest, I think, you'll be able to figure out.
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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by 56nortondomy » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:25 pm

Looks great Trevor. What's the neck and armrest made of? It all seems to match in really nice. Wayne

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Post by EricDownunder » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:43 pm

Trevor that's a stunning guitar, your finish is truly superb, I have not seen a headstock done like that it really suits the guitar and I love it. :cl :cl :cl :cl :cl
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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by steve roberts » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:44 pm

Hi Trevor
Wow ! simply stunning
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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by charangohabsburg » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:54 pm

The first second before starting to read this thread I just thought "strange, why Trevor starts to paint his guitar backs black?" :lol:
Indeed amazing how dark a "non-black" wood can be!
Beautiful work as always. :cl

For the pictures which don't show the top you could use a dark (not black) background, indirect light, and to avoid unwanted reflections photographing "through"* a black cloth sheet which has to be twice as big as the photographed area.
For the pictures showing very dark and very light coloured details (top/sides, etc.) the best solution would be to make an exposure series and later merge the different exposures accordingly (still not easy to make it look natural).
In any case, even lighting helps, which for a not highly specialised photos studio normally means less light and longer (I mean really long) exposure time. Although, sometimes modern cameras are not very helpful with exposure time longer than a few seconds.

*) that is, letting peep the camera lens through a hole in the centre of the sheet. Tripod needed, of course.
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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by Nick » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:51 am

Now that's just a beauty Trevor, beautiful 'clean' looking guitar must have been a bugger when the customer gave you all that horrible timber to build with. :wink: You've done it justice. :cl :cl :cl :cl
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Post by lauburu » Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:16 am

Magic. Beautiful work. Lucky customer!
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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by Bruce McC » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:24 am

Not bad Trev, how about a sound clip and some details of the frequency responses for the members of the "book club". :cl
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Post by rocket » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:29 am

Beautiful guitar Trev, stunning finish.
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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by Dave » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:32 am

Fantastic looking guitar Trev :)

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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by Trevor Gore » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:58 am

Thanks for all the kind comments, everyone.
56nortondomy wrote:Looks great Trevor. What's the neck and armrest made of? It all seems to match in really nice. Wayne
Wayne, the neck is NGR, armrest is EIR. The finish is nitro all over.

Markus, thanks for the photographic tips. Most of my issues revolve around the "studio" I have to work with. There's just about enough room for me, the camera and a guitar if I'm lucky! Not always easy to get to the angles I want!
afshar wrote:Not bad Trev, how about a sound clip and some details of the frequency responses for the members of the "book club".
Sorry, can't do a sound clip, Bruce. Gone before I could get round to it. Another problem is capturing the nuances in the sound that makes guitars different. I can't capture that with my current (simple) set-up. This guitar's sound, in just a single word, is "imposing". I didn't make it super-sensitive because it is to be used as a stage guitar, so I backed off a bit so feedback wouldn't be so much of a problem. (It was always going to have a BRW bridge, which is heavier than I normally use, so I stiffened the top up to get back to a T(1,1)2 of ~180Hz, which, of course, reduces the monopole mobility). The Lutz gave nice trebles, similar to what I get with WRC (i.e. lots of them, going up high, which gives that airy sort of sound, but is not the usual comment about WRC) but the Lutz is a lot harder than WRC, which is nice. It's a 101, 181, 227Hz guitar and is mass loaded. Very much a small body masquerading as a larger guitar.

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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by H3ytm@n » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:56 am

Beautiful looking guitar. Love it.
Can't work out whether it's satin on the back (pic 1) or something that you've done with photoshop?
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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by Trevor Gore » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:56 pm

H3ytm@n wrote:Can't work out whether it's satin on the back (pic 1) or something that you've done with photoshop?
:lol:

Neither! Oh that my Photoshop skills were that good! The back is high gloss, just like the sides that you can see in pic 1. What you're seeing is the reflection of the matt blue background in the high gloss back. With a photo of the back taken any other way (in my very constrained "studio") all I could get was pure reflection, as you can see in this picture of my "antique" Chateau Tanunda thermometer (which is about a metre tall, if you were wondering!)
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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by PHANTOM » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:07 pm

that is all class
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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by Kamusur » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:02 pm

Surely couldn't get much better than that.

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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by H3ytm@n » Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:29 pm

trevtheshed wrote:
H3ytm@n wrote:Can't work out whether it's satin on the back (pic 1) or something that you've done with photoshop?
Neither! Oh that my Photoshop skills were that good! The back is high gloss, just like the sides that you can see in pic 1. What you're seeing is the reflection of the matt blue background in the high gloss back. With a photo of the back taken any other way (in my very constrained "studio") all I could get was pure reflection, as you can see in this picture of my "antique" Chateau Tanunda thermometer (which is about a metre tall, if you were wondering!)
Yes quite the reflection!! There's so much gloss there I can't tell what type of wood you used. :lol:
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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by Kim » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:49 pm

A truly beautiful guitar in every possible way Trevor. Outstanding work :cl :cl :cl :cl :cl

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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by Trevor Gore » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:24 am

Five years later (where did that go!) and in for a service. Gets frequently gigged, but well looked after. Fixed the pre-amp (the main reason for the visit), tap tested, tweaked the set-up, sorted some dings in the finish, a cut and buff and good for many more years.
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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by Dave M » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:08 am

That must have been very interesting; to see how your design has stood up to serious playing over a significant time period.

I imagine it was falcate braced with CF so the top probably didn't move much but I wonder if it continued to compress a little? Did the saddle positions need lengthening at all? Did the truss have to be used to counter movement in the neck?

As an aside I notice the position of the strap button at the body. Was that something the player wanted or a decision by yourself?
For my current Gore design SS I have repeated what I did before and have reinforced the side uphill of the heel ready to take the strap button there, but I don't have enough interaction with players to know if this is completely acceptable.
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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by Trevor Gore » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:35 am

Dave M wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:08 am
I imagine it was falcate braced with CF so the top probably didn't move much but I wonder if it continued to compress a little? Did the saddle positions need lengthening at all? Did the truss have to be used to counter movement in the neck?
The guitar looked pretty much in "as new" condition and yes, was falcate braced with CF. Just a tweak to the truss rod was required. This guitar was one of the first (if not the first) to have the double acting rod as shown in the 2nd edition of the book. The resonances had increased slightly in frequency, which is pretty normal on my guitars. I'll leave it to others to speculate as to why that is!
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:08 am
As an aside I notice the position of the strap button at the body. Was that something the player wanted or a decision by yourself?
Stewmac has a pic showing various strap button positions. Many players seem to prefer position 5, as they say it helps prevent the guitar rolling forward. I just ask the player and fix accordingly. Very important to get the right pilot hole size for the screw.

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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by kiwigeo » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:30 pm

Trevor Gore wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:24 am
... sorted some dings in the finish, a cut and buff and good for many more years.

Trevor, I assume the finish is hard shellac from Robert? You had no issues burning new shellac into the old finish?
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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by Trevor Gore » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:56 pm

kiwigeo wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:30 pm
Trevor, I assume the finish is hard shellac from Robert? You had no issues burning new shellac into the old finish?
This one was nitro all over, so no problems with drop fills.

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Re: 12 fret BRW small body

Post by Fisherman » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:30 am

Stunning! Definitely showcases that amazing BRW

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