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Re: Stopmbox, footdrum and other foot percussion

Post by mickeyj4j » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:28 pm

i could not work out how to add youtube links at first becaue hte link in browser was adding somethign extra to it. Now i have worked out how to do it i cant edit post to fix things :evil: now my post will forever be wrong ?????

i am uploading it properly here now ok (maybe a forum op can fix the initial post and delete this for me thanks) :D

Here is some general info from my own testing and some interesting stuff I found out there. Would also love to hear your ideas and stuff on this subject. 
 
When it comes to stompboxes, foot drums etc, there are many types, from DIY to professional electric or acoustic. Basically a stompbox is anything you hit with your foot to make a percussion sound. these can be acoustic or electric.
As far s i can tell stompboxes started in the deep south of the USA with the country, bluegrass, blues style of music. as these developed they they took on their unique sound and style these are commonly known as a Mississippi Stompbox. from this people started to experiment with electrifying them. and thus today we have many various types of stompbox percussion/foot drums around. soem names i can think of is the wazinator, peterman stompboxes, Dalmedo, pucki'n'stomper Farmer foot drum.

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SX Stompbox: have an sx stompbox. this uses a bass drum pickup looks like a double j style or humbucker. this pedal gives a dull thud when played. I find it nice to add when i am playing solo at home or busking. 
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1. I use this when busking in the microphone jack of my micro spider guitar amp this sounds ok there. 
2. I have tried it at home in my Roland Cube 20xl bass amp. this amp has some good built in effects including reverb and delay. reverb in this adds more depth and sounds better. 
3. I then tested it using my "Behringer V-tone Acoustic ADI -21" Di/Preamp and it warms this up a bit. This got me thinking how a bass preamp like the Behringer Bdi21 or a bass eq pedal would sound. I will need to pop into local music shop to test this theory out.
4. I lend this to our drummer at Church each week as we don't have space to store his full drum kit just symbols, snare, in the building we rent. the sound guy tells me he tried to warm it up a bit on the desk but cant do much with it. 
5. I also have tested it using both my Korg AX5B Bass effects pedal, and Korg AX10A Acoustic effects pedal. using the effects in both these pedals enhanced the Footdrum. it helped to widen the sound, give more depth and reverbs made it sound amazing, oh the bliss. I will make some patches on each of these for the foot drum so can use depending on wether i am playing bass or guitar. 
Overall: by itself this is a very basic pedal that gives a dull thud. it really needs to go through some effects to get the most out of it.
 
Foot percussion: 
Meinl Foot Shaker:
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LP Foot Tambourine:
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Homemade Testing Stompbox: There are heaps of ideas online if you look around, especially on youtube. I have also attempted to make a home made one. using a box and different sizes of cheep pezo pickup, based on ideas from youtube. I also tried using a small 8ohm 10w subwoofer from an old computer speaker set. 

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1. Plastic hobby box: This tended to sound a bit like a cave, to tinny/treble, and prone to feedback even at a distance from amp. My adi21 gave this a bit more depth and warmth.Cajon Pedal 7 - Stompbox
2. Thin Cigarbox: This has some better tone but still hot. adi21 gave it a much better tone. this was to weak to use and would easily break with a bit of stomping.
3. Heavy cigar/jewerly box: This was by far the best box. strong. a bit less hot and warmer. again the adi21 gave this a better sound more depth and less feedback.
Overall: I think that pezo pickups by themselves are not a good choice for a stompbox pickup. they are to hot, with lots of feedback and don't have a great tone or sound. they defiantly need a preamp or other setup to make them less hot. you may be able to find a pickup specifically built for stompbox or stompbox kits, Like these ones DIY. there are many ideas, tips and tricks for making your own strompbox online.
 
Jewellery Box model: Here is my jewellery box one using the 8ohm 10w sub-woofer speaker. This sounds great and better than the piezo disks i tested. again a guitar effect unit with reverb adds more oomp sounds great. I have yet to finish the outside. Originally it was panted had something like "to my darling daughter....." so I have sanded that off. I will probably paint and varnish this and may put something like "Foot Stomper" or "Tap here" or even a graphic but have not decided on a final design.    
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Another DIY Project: I have another DIY Project I am wanting to work on and have a post for that 
DIY Foot drum, Stompbox, percussion
 
Interest sake: 
Farmer Foot Drums:Farmer make drum kits and percussion instruments. all acoustic. see Farmer Foot Drums
here is an overview of the Delux model [youtube]http://youtu.be/RwZt71SxNFg[/youtube]

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Cajon: A cajon is a wooden box that the drummer sits on to play, using hands etc. they now have drum pedals for them so handy for a guitarist to sit on and play.

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Re: Stopmbox, footdrum and other foot percussion

Post by kiwigeo » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:27 am

mickeyj4j wrote:i could not work out how to add youtube links at first becaue hte link in browser was adding somethign extra to it. Now i have worked out how to do it i cant edit post to fix things :evil: now my post will forever be wrong ?????

i am uploading it properly here now ok (maybe a forum op can fix the initial post and delete this for me thanks) :D
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Re: Stopmbox, footdrum and other foot percussion

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kiwigeo wrote:Done
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Re: Stopmbox, footdrum and other foot percussion

Post by Nick » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:12 am

Hi Mickey, do you know exactly how the humbucker type pickup works in this situation (The SX stompbox)? Is there a plate that contacts on the magnets? I know you can get wound pickups to 'thump' when you tap the pole pieces with a screw driver but usually they are designed for strings moving through the magnetic field...I'm intrigued.
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Re: Stopmbox, footdrum and other foot percussion

Post by mickeyj4j » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:26 pm

Nick wrote:Hi Mickey, do you know exactly how the humbucker type pickup works in this situation (The SX stompbox)? Is there a plate that contacts on the magnets? I know you can get wound pickups to 'thump' when you tap the pole pieces with a screw driver but usually they are designed for strings moving through the magnetic field...I'm intrigued.
Yes the SX stompbox has a metal plate in it, look at the image I posted. The metal pate makes contact with the pickup electric field just like a screw driver does, also being metal. That said I get just as much thump from my jewelry box model with the small sub speaker.
If you have some old electric guitar or bass pickups, or old speakers, why not give it a try.
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Re: Stopmbox, footdrum and other foot percussion

Post by Nick » Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:39 am

mickeyj4j wrote:Yes the SX stompbox has a metal plate in it, look at the image I posted. The metal pate makes contact with the pickup electric field just like a screw driver does, also being metal. That said I get just as much thump from my jewelry box model with the small sub speaker.
If you have some old electric guitar or bass pickups, or old speakers, why not give it a try.
Yeah I saw the plate but couldn't make out if it was part of the contact/pickup system or a battery holder but now on a second longer look I see the battery holder is the box on the side! Doh!! :roll: but thanks for the confirmation. Interesting approach, those magnets put out a hell of a thump when even slightly tapped! Is the pickup mounted so that there is a small air gap between the two to start with or is a contact thing right from the start?
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Re: Stopmbox, footdrum and other foot percussion

Post by mickeyj4j » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:01 am

Nick wrote:Yeah I saw the plate but couldn't make out if it was part of the contact/pickup system or a battery holder but now on a second longer look I see the battery holder is the box on the side! Doh!! :roll: but thanks for the confirmation. Interesting approach, those magnets put out a hell of a thump when even slightly tapped! Is the pickup mounted so that there is a small air gap between the two to start with or is a contact thing right from the start?
On mine the metal plate has some rubber closed-cell foam padding stick on it. And the pickup magnets to the plate through that.
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Re: Stopmbox, footdrum and other foot percussion

Post by blackalex1952 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:39 pm

I've been checking out some of these older threads and found this one...I began with a piezo which sounded terrible and was high impedance. Then I moved to loudspeakers, which I ended up modifying by supergluing an O ring around the speaker cone and then gluing the O ring to the timber. The idea was to tune the frequency of the stomp noise (for want of a better word) by adding mass to the back of the speaker magnet. These units that I made are still functioning several years later. However, some came back for repair. I found also that the speakers which would fit into a block of wood couldn't be higher that the depth of the rout, and those kind of loudspeaker were low wattage, so not very sturdy, as well as the height of the lead mass glued to the speaker magnet contributing to the overall thickness of the pedal. I then discovered, and here is my secret, that a 15 Watt surface mount speaker was all I needed. The 15W windings and the sturdier construction will take even a 7ft bikie's hammering! My pedals also feature a Neutrix locking jack and I recommend a right angle jack so that there is no risk of damage if accidentaly stepping on the jack itself. I have found that good old Aussie Southern Blue Gum is a great timber for stomps. I engrave a heartbeat symbol onto the top of the board with a soldering iron then fill it with Gold nail polish for redgum and red nail polish for bluegum. I call them "Heartbeat" -to be FELT but not heard. Too many musicians who use these things at festivals set them up so that one feels like one is being hammered in the head. I recommend setting the eq on a direct feed to a pa in such a way as the treble is rolled off, and the bass and particularly the mids are adjusted to refine the tone. My first stomp box that I sold, came back to me via an sms photo. The guy had placed a bit of blue vein cheese on it and a fancy cheese knife! Another stomp I made was more like a kick drum and the kick drum pedal hit the timber which sat vertically on a laminated wooden pole with a base that the kick drum pedal could be clamped to. The laminated pole was for both strength and to run the wires through easily.
The speaker is wired directly to the connector as it is already low impedance, no other circuitry required. The reason Blue Gum is much better than Redgum is its screw holding capacity to screw the speaker to the wood...redgum crumbles. Blue gum is also heavier so the pedal doesn't move around the room! I place rubber feet on my boxes as well. If the speaker has a boomy sustain, a piece of neoprene can be glued onto the magnet and the cover plate gently touches it, limiting the cone excursion and damping the sustain. It depends on the speaker itself. My supplier of surface mount speakers has dried up, so looking for another source at this stage. The feedback I have received from all the pros who have purchased my units is that they out perform the Bigfoot design and are half the price. I can also tailor the resonant frequency somewhat. I use visual analyser (free software, same as recommended in the Gor/Gilet books) to test the resonant f...Cheers!Ross
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