Using Hot Hide Glue

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Using Hot Hide Glue

Post by matthew » Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:09 am

I did a quick photoshoot on my glue prep stages.

From start to ready-to glue approx 12 mins, and is enough for quite a bit of work.
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cover with water, and a bit more
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wait ten
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add some juice
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after two mins, runny like thin honey. Keep at this consistency for strong work. Thin as required.
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Re: Glue

Post by kiwigeo » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:17 am

Just to clarify.....in Photo 4 the switch has to be in the "on" position and to get it from the "off" to the "on" position you use your index finger? :mrgreen:
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Re: Glue

Post by P Bill » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:01 am

Good thread matthew. Mixing and using hide glue is a dark art to the newbie.
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Post by WaddyT » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:52 am

Just don't allow it to be! It's one of the oldest glues known, and use is simple. It's only a mystery because someone told you it was. It's not. I started using it on my first, and have not found anything better. I do use other glues where I think they offer me an advantage, like open time or shorter cure time, but there is no mystery to HHG. It just has to be mixed with water, has to be hot, and has to be applied and clamped within it's open time parameters. What's more simple than that. Cleans up more easily than any other glue I know.
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Re: Glue

Post by matthew » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:11 am

kiwigeo wrote:Just to clarify.....in Photo 4 the switch has to be in the "on" position and to get it from the "off" to the "on" position you use your index finger? :mrgreen:
I'm glad you cleared that up Martin. It can be so confusing knowing which finger to use. In this case I use my thumb, because my index finger is used for taste-testing the glue to make sure it is properly cooked. It is not good to get gobs of glue on the on/off switch. But if you do, it all cleans up nicely with hot water. This is why hide glue is so safe.

**Readers please note: the switch can also be used to turn the electricity off when finished.

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Re: Glue

Post by jeffhigh » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:37 am

So I should claen all my lectric switches with hot water then?

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Post by matthew » Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:23 pm

yes definitely. Unscrew them from the wall (leave the wires attached - you don't want to make your life too hard) and immerse the whole thing in a bucket of hot water for a few minutes. Be careful to use a plastic bucket so you don't burn yourself. :shock:

edit: on second thoughts, let me make quite clear that i am freely providing stupid advice. There may be some idiots on this forum who'd believe anything. Electricity and water don't mix. Danger, Danger, Warning Will Robinson.

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Re: Glue

Post by Dennis Leahy » Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:59 pm

Martin and Matthew, great exchange! That was freaking hilarious. :lmao

I'm thinking that by standing on a ladder with one foot, while throwing the bucket of water, there would be an incomplete circuit and thus completely safe.
And, in the odd chance that you would complete a circuit, simply drop the bucket and raise both hands quickly, creating a "Jacob's ladder" for the electricity to arc across (which will keep it away from the testicles AND provide a tremendous YouTube video.

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Re: Glue

Post by matthew » Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:27 pm

YES!!!!

BE SURE TO GET WIFE TO FILM THE WHOLE THING

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Post by Lillian » Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:48 pm

matthew wrote:
Are we not MEN?

Not all of us. :mrgreen:

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Post by matthew » Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:33 pm

yeah I guess you're right Lillian - you are not men.

And in any case, you wouldn't stand on one leg on a ladder in the dark and throw buckets of hot water over an electrical switch to clean the gobs of hide glue off it ... while having it all filmed in case it turns spectacular ... or would you??

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Post by Allen » Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:30 pm

Wouldn't see that on any of those uptight politically correct forums. Might just get sued by someone dumb enough to follow those directions to a T.
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Post by jeffhigh » Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:49 pm

I resemble that remark Allen......

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Post by Allen » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:51 pm

I'm just like Matthew. I reserve the index finger for tasting. Tells me how much to thin it out for the job on hand by how it coats the tongue.
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Re: Glue

Post by matthew » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:28 pm

yeah one consistency for gluing, another for spreading on a Sao and a bit thinner for drinking. mmmm glue.

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Post by Lillian » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:48 pm

matthew wrote:yeah I guess you're right Lillian - you are not men.

And in any case, you wouldn't stand on one leg on a ladder in the dark and throw buckets of hot water over an electrical switch to clean the gobs of hide glue off it ... while having it all filmed in case it turns spectacular ... or would you??
I've been know to lose all common sense in the name of fun. So, maybe.

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Re: Using Hot Hide Glue

Post by greg c » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:57 am

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Re: Using Hot Hide Glue

Post by greg c » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:04 am

One of the best things about hide glue is the ability to undo a join, I had a bridge which was not right so I applied a little heat with heat gun and 90 seconds later its off, you can just reheat the glue that's on there or add a little more hide and it gels right into the old glue , its also the best glue for filling gaps, sawdust bit of hide patch it wipe it clean,
If you dont get the clamping right , like a fretboard and there's a tiny gap, heat it clamp it gap gone,
hide glue is king,
tastes great too,

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Re: Using Hot Hide Glue

Post by triffid_hunter » Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:50 pm

I used HHG for the first time yesterday, was trivially simple.. teaspoon of granules in a baby food jar, bit of water, stuck it on the bed of my 3d printer until it looked (and smelt!) about right. Reattached my violin's nut and fingerboard, seems to be good so far! I had the neck and fingerboard warming on the bed alongside the glue to extend the open time since it was my first try.

so any inexperienced who come across this thread, don't despair it's actually really easy :)

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Re: Using Hot Hide Glue

Post by ernieman » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:55 pm

Hide Glue is so convenient. I use it for gluing the tops on a lute. Especially because lute tops may need to come of more then often.
Did you know you can also loosen hide-glue with pure ethanol? Just watch that finish though. The alcohol extracts the last bit of water and makes it very brittle. I used it to undo a neck on an old tenor guitar. You could even hear the glue "crack"!

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Re: Using Hot Hide Glue

Post by sprocket » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:56 am

Appreciate this how to , keep them coming up !

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